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    LVC Gig Diary

    Gig 1
    Friday 2/22
    Dublin Pub Morristown NJ

    I was extremely nervous to do a gig without one my trusty tube amps. I felt naked

    Those fears and apprehensions were put to rest very quickly. The Axe sounded phenomenal! Basically stayed in preset 4 all night (Twin Reverb). Very easy to dial in to the room (same process as with my vintage twin).

    Since I do not have the MFC controller yet (out of stock) I brought with me a simple pedal board (Nano with a few pedals) and just went through the front of the Fractal just as I would with my Twin.

    I used a Verve 12ma powered FRFR monitor and it was more than load enough (400 watts). I am on the list to get the new Atomic CLR powered wedge.

    but here is a picture of my "little" corner at the gig

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    Re: Axe-Fx Gig Diary - Playing Out with the Fractal Audio Axe-FX Mark 2

    Gig #2
    Sat 3/2/13
    Lamp Post Inn
    Sussex, NJ

    Well I did a gig without a pedalboard or midi board. It was a pain in the ass to say the least. Even with some practice I could not keep up with the song changes (we basically go from one song to the next with little or no gaps). Very difficult to do without a board (to add OD/Delay etc).

    the other problem is VCS (volume creep syndrome). I set up the axe to give me a Max vol level (loudness) that I thought was adequet for the joint (in effect putting on the "personal brakes. No dice. The keyboard player gets louder as the night goes on. One thing is for certain with out a board for boosts or a different patch with the max vol set differently -- it is very difficult to manage the vol. By the second set I said screw it and I increase my max vol by about 4 DBs -- that did it for the balance of the night.

    I was not happy with the Verve 12ma at higher volumes -- it started to get a little thin. There are a couple of EQ patches that are designed to flatten the response of the Verve but I have not installed them. Hopefully I will receive my Atomic CLR before the next gig (next weekend).

    Overall it was satisfying as well as a learning experience.

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    Re: Axe-Fx Gig Diary - Playing Out with the Fractal Audio Axe-FX Mark 2

    Gig #3
    Friday 3/8/13
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    Rig is starting to come together/

    This time with an Atomic CLR active cab

    UPS dropped the cab at 3:30 -- and she was ready to roll for an 8:30 PM start time for a gig on the same day.

    Loud -- really good thing ... a little boomy ... a bit of a red flag



    From the Atomic website

    Today's top guitar amp modelers / profilers can recreate the sounds of the greatest amplifiers and effects of all time with uncanny precision. In order to get the most out of them for live use, however, they require highly accurate playback systems (or FRFR - full range flat response). This is the case because even slight shifts in the frequency response can shatter the perceived "realness" of the sound and experience.

    Quality near field studio monitors, though ideal for recording, can fall short of recreating the experience of playing through a real guitar amp and can't deliver the high SPL needed for performance situations. A high end PA can deliver the tone in a mix from your rig to the audience, but what about on stage sound, or rehearsal, or private practice? Enter the CLR Series.

    CLR stands for Coincident Linear Reference. Here are some reasons why they are the single best solution in their range for amplifying your modeler / profiler:



    • The CLR is the only system in its market segment that delivers a true coaxial system that is also coincident - this is a key differentiator. The term "coincident" denotes a multi-way (two-way in this case) loudspeaker that functions as a single, well-behaved source of sound at all frequencies. The crossover transition is undetectable via listening OR measurement and its response at positions within the speaker's radiation pattern is essentially the same as the response on-axis. This type of behavior is not possible in other 2-way systems.

    • The CLR delivers an incredibly precise and flat on axis amplitude response from 70 Hz to 18 kHz (+/- 2.5dB) making it flatter than many highly regarded studio monitors. It also has a more accurate response from 40 Hz - 20 Hz than most systems in its range. Although many brands claim to offer flat response, the CLR delivers a higher level of accuracy, not "hyping" specific frequencies for effect.

    • The CLR's unusual but highly effective midrange horn design creates a well-controlled radiation pattern of 90 degrees vertical by 90 degrees horizontal. This control extends a full two octaves BELOW the crossover frequency. This consistency of pattern is impossible to achieve in designs that use a direct-radiating woofer with a high frequency horn. Because of its broad but well-controlled directivity, the CLR will sound as good in challenging acoustic environments - e.g., a pub with highly reflective surfaces, a cathedral, an armory - as it does in a well-damped showroom. This single property places it head and shoulders above every other competitive alternative.

    • The CLR crossover filter topology is designed to preserve the integrity of transient signals. This attribute, in concert with controlled directivity and flat amplitude response, results in vivid clarity and articulation under the widest possible range of acoustic conditions. Other systems - including many coaxial configurations - fail to deliver in this area.






    Had some issues with 60 cycle hum with my tyler, other than that -- things sounded pretty damn good!






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    Re: Axe-Fx Gig Diary - Playing Out with the Fractal Audio Axe-FX Mark 2

    Gig 4
    Friday 3/17
    Dublin Pub Morristown NJ

    Since I do not have the controller yet -- I set up "Scenes" in the Fractal. Basically you can setup different pictures of a preset (i.e. scene 2 clean with comp -- scene five drive/delay on etc). It made the night flow smoother.

    I had some issues with the tyler and 60 Cycle hum -- I like that fiddle and grabbed it on the way out but the pickups are a little hot for that club and picked up a lot of noise from the plasma screens. My other Tyler has pickups that are less hot. I might have to change the pickups on it -- maybe explore noiseless ones.

    Honeymoon over with the Atomic.

    First night out was a couple of hours after I got it and I was in love with my new toy. I have spent all week with her and she is a little too boomy for my tastes with respect to the Fender amps. Overdriven the thing is off the charts crazy good. Clean to me is more important than OD tones. . Tried a few things with EQ etc reduced the boom and she sounded OK but it sucked the life out of the amp sim. Not crazy about the electronics package. The FF/TLT/BL thing either adds too much bass or cuts too much bass. The gain stage is also a pain in the ass and easy to screw up when you reach behind the amp at a gig and try to adjust the volume.

    There are a lot of choices out there and I intend to try a few to find the cab that has the flavor and color I like. Not matter what anybody -- says everything colors your tone -- the question is finding something with the colors that are right for you.

    We shall see -- jury is still out on this one.

    I ordered a Matrix GTX1000 power amp (which what I was planning to get in the first place) GT1000FX 1u rackmount amplifier :: Matrix

    Can use the Matrix with passive cabs as well as any regular guitar cabs

    Last night's setup

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    Re: Axe-Fx Gig Diary - Playing Out with the Fractal Audio Axe-FX Mark 2

    Thanks for the posts, I have been reading. My son is going to get the AXE FX like yours. I still am wondering how small a set up it is compared to a RP CS2 w/ pedalboard. I bet the controller board will make things different for live playing, how are your doing with the volumes of all the patches? do you have a volume pedal?

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    Re: Axe-Fx Gig Diary - Playing Out with the Fractal Audio Axe-FX Mark 2

    I was also wondering if there is an advantage for playing acoustic guitar through the AXE as opposed to a regular tube amp which most folks dont use.

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    Re: Axe-Fx Gig Diary - Playing Out with the Fractal Audio Axe-FX Mark 2

    Cool info so far.

    I like your idea of using a regular power amp for it and using a passive speaker. I think that you may get some color from the speakers making the speaker modeling in Axe FX less authentic, but at the end of the day if you use a good cab (Celestion, etc...) you could just shut the speaker modeling off and use the cabs real sound or tweak.

    You may want to consider grabbing a cheap MIDI floor controller to use until you get the AXE FX one. There are a ton out there. The ART X-11 (IIRC) is usually very cheap and would do patch changes without a problem. I would think any generic MIDI controller will work, you just would have to assign the switches. I use a Ground Control Pro with GCX and like it but I would prob buy the AxeFX one if I was spending that kind of $$$.
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    Re: Axe-Fx Gig Diary - Playing Out with the Fractal Audio Axe-FX Mark 2

    There is actually an acoustic patch.

    A lot of folks just connect their acoustic and disable the cab block or use a guitar with Piezo. with the Piezo -- one signal (electric) goes to you amp/cab sims for the electric -- the other to whatever acoustic setup you have programmed.





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    I was also wondering if there is an advantage for playing acoustic guitar through the AXE as opposed to a regular tube amp which most folks dont use.
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    Re: Axe-Fx Gig Diary - Playing Out with the Fractal Audio Axe-FX Mark 2

    I am basically using one patch with different scenes (until I get my board) -- that is how I have been doing gigs.

    It is a cool feature -- it is like have 8 different patches in one. You can set the different states (on/off) of the different blocks and actually have x/y effects in each block

    for example scene one might be a 63 vibroverb going into a 4x10 bassman cab Scene two could have a Two-Rock with delay for leads or you can setup different patches or set by by set list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Budlite View Post
    Thanks for the posts, I have been reading. My son is going to get the AXE FX like yours. I still am wondering how small a set up it is compared to a RP CS2 w/ pedalboard. I bet the controller board will make things different for live playing, how are your doing with the volumes of all the patches? do you have a volume pedal?
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    Re: Axe-Fx Gig Diary - Playing Out with the Fractal Audio Axe-FX Mark 2

    Quote Originally Posted by amp360 View Post
    Cool info so far.

    I like your idea of using a regular power amp for it and using a passive speaker. I think that you may get some color from the speakers making the speaker modeling in Axe FX less authentic, but at the end of the day if you use a good cab (Celestion, etc...) you could just shut the speaker modeling off and use the cabs real sound or tweak.

    You may want to consider grabbing a cheap MIDI floor controller to use until you get the AXE FX one. There are a ton out there. The ART X-11 (IIRC) is usually very cheap and would do patch changes without a problem. I would think any generic MIDI controller will work, you just would have to assign the switches. I use a Ground Control Pro with GCX and like it but I would prob buy the AxeFX one if I was spending that kind of $$$.
    1. controller
    I am waiting for the MFC controller to get back in stock Fractal Audio Systems - MFC-101 MIDI Foot Controller - Best MIDI Foot Controller for the Axe-Fx II that is the one to get. Just need to be patient.

    2. got the amp/passive speaker. The speaker is FRFR and is designed to work with the Matrix and the Axe (with cab sims on). It sounds great. But.... I can now use my regular cabs as well. I used it with a crappy cab and speaker I had in the basement and it sounded about as real as you can get. In this case you turn off the cab sims. I am probably going to pickup a D-Sytle mini cab 1x12 with an oval ported back and load with a Celestion Lead 80 (love that speaker). That way I can use all of the amp sims and effects and push "real" air with a cab.

    I am having a hard time getting use to having a monitor as my single source of amplification at a gig. It does not feel right. With a real cab it does but as far as a stand alone FRFR solution for the Fractal --- the Q12 is one is the best so far.

    The great thing about the Matrix GT1000 amp is I can do both!

    However, I like the Matrix Q12 significantly better than the Atomic Active CLR which I found boomy and ended sending it back.

    I will be using the Q12 with the Matrix this sat at a gig!!!



    Rack with Matrix amp



    matrix Q12 Passive Cab



    Info from the Matrix Amplification Website

    Q12
    Designed by Andy Hunt as a full range, full response audio monitor, the compact 12” coaxial solution, at only 15kgs (33lb) offers a transparent sound punching well above its size and weight.


    The Q12 was created as a high quality solution to answer the requests we have received from artists wishing for all the benefits of our CFR12 passive wedges in a solution that was in the style of 1×12 guitar cab.


    We wanted to to create a system which fully utilises both the amp modelling and cabinet modelling capabilities that the new modelling pre-amps are capable of. In a perfect world the guitarist should be able to develop a tone within their studio environment either through headphones or monitors and know that the same sound will be created by their choice of on stage monitor, which they should be able to carry onto the stage with ease. In the case of larger gigs when an additional send is used to feed the front of house system the guitarist then knows the audience are hearing the same out in the crowd as the guitarist is hearing on the stage.


    Traditional guitar cabinets impart their own character on top of the tone the modellers were creating. We wanted to create a transparent solution to enable the modeller to shine through


    With a traditional guitar speaker being limited in frequency response we knew that we would have to utilise a full range system. This is normally achieved using one speaker cone to produce the low frequencies and a separate tweeter loaded on a horn to fill in the top end sparkle. The disadvantage of this approach is the sound is coming from two separate locations which create phasing issues as you walk around the stage. The guitarist’s ear is always a different distance to each source of sound. The solution to this is the use of a coaxial driver, whereby the high and low frequency drivers are located on the same axis.


    The Q12 is loaded with a 12″ coaxial driver which has a dispersion pattern of 80 degrees, which ensures the same sweet spot of sound is heard by the guitarist as they move around the stage. The Q12 can be powered using the linked output from an active Q12a, or the class A/B amps already available within our range, or another amp of your choice.








    Matrix GT1000FX Amp
    The GT1000FX is a lightweight 1U format stereo rack mount power amplifier designed specifically for use by guitarists that builds on the Matrix heritage. The GT1000FX is designed with a full range of guitar products in mind, from modellers to valve pre-amps, pre-amp pedals, “slaving” traditional amplifiers and the newer mini-amps with line outputs.


    Whilst still delivering the same flat response as the GT800FX, the GT1000FX has been modified to respond even more like a valve power amplifier, giving a “looser” feel and a more open sound that we genuinely believe to be the closest a solid state amp has come to valves!


    We’ve not just improved the sound either but also managed to cram another 200 Watts under the hood whilst still keeping the weight at an unbelievable 3.7kg. That’s 1000 watts in bridged mode at 8ohms and a mammoth 650W at 16 ohms!


    Dual speed fans ensure that the amplifier stays cool with even all that power, under the most demanding conditions. Neutrik combi 1/4 inch/XLR inputs and combi 1/4inch/Speakon outputs give you maximum flexibilty in how you connect the GT1000FX. We’ve also added a dedicated output for bridged mode, so no special cables are necessary to deliver the full mono power of the amplifier into any impedance of 8 ohms or over. The GT1000FX still has the same ability to handle all impedances 4 ohms and over including mis-matched loads giving you the widest choice when using your favourite cabs and speakers. Running a 2×12 cab with an 8 ohm and 16 ohm speaker in mono or running a 4 ohm cab on one side and a 16 ohm cab on the other in stereo mode is no problem for the GT1000FX!

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