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    HELP! New 56 Fender CS problem

    I just picked up a killer new 56 CS Strat, but I am having a few problems. First off, right away I noticed the high E string was riding right on the edge of the neck/frets, and any "pull" on the high E would push it off the side of the frets. looking closer, it appeared all of the strings were shifted to the treble side, as the low E had lots of room on the neck. So the dealer told me to loosen the neck and try and shift it over. I did this, and it helped the problem for the most part, but i still need more room on that upper E string. There are no grooves cut into the saddles on these things for some reason, and when I push the high E string over towards the center of the guitar about 1/16 of an inch where I want it, it just slides back, because it wants to be centered obviously. (A STRING UNDER TENSION WANTS TO STAY IN A STRAIGHT LINE) Does anyone cut a groove into the saddles on these things? I only need to do it on the high E, but if I do, then the string is going to over the saddle, then make a fairly sharp angle to go into the hole that goes through the neck. I feel I may be breaking strings a lot because of that. I looked at a few other guitars online, and it seems most have the high E string right at the edge of the fretboard. UGGH!!! Is it OK to cut that liitle grrove for the high E, or not? Please help. Thanks for any and all info. It is greatly appreciated.
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    Re: HELP! New 56 Fender CS problem

    Contact my buddy Jim Hobson (he posts here)

    He owns the Fret shop in Vernon FRET SHOP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tag View Post
    I just picked up a killer new 56 CS Strat, but I am having a few problems. First off, right away I noticed the high E string was riding right on the edge of the neck/frets, and any "pull" on the high E would push it off the side of the frets. looking closer, it appeared all of the strings were shifted to the treble side, as the low E had lots of room on the neck. So the dealer told me to loosen the neck and try and shift it over. I did this, and it helped the problem for the most part, but i still need more room on that upper E string. There are no grooves cut into the saddles on these things for some reason, and when I push the high E string over towards the center of the guitar about 1/16 of an inch where I want it, it just slides back, because it wants to be centered obviously. (A STRING UNDER TENSION WANTS TO STAY IN A STRAIGHT LINE) Does anyone cut a groove into the saddles on these things? I only need to do it on the high E, but if I do, then the string is going to over the saddle, then make a fairly sharp angle to go into the hole that goes through the neck. I feel I may be breaking strings a lot because of that. I looked at a few other guitars online, and it seems most have the high E string right at the edge of the fretboard. UGGH!!! Is it OK to cut that liitle grrove for the high E, or not? Please help. Thanks for any and all info. It is greatly appreciated.
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    Re: HELP! New 56 Fender CS problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Tag View Post
    I just picked up a killer new 56 CS Strat, but I am having a few problems. First off, right away I noticed the high E string was riding right on the edge of the neck/frets, and any "pull" on the high E would push it off the side of the frets. looking closer, it appeared all of the strings were shifted to the treble side, as the low E had lots of room on the neck. So the dealer told me to loosen the neck and try and shift it over. I did this, and it helped the problem for the most part, but i still need more room on that upper E string. There are no grooves cut into the saddles on these things for some reason, and when I push the high E string over towards the center of the guitar about 1/16 of an inch where I want it, it just slides back, because it wants to be centered obviously. (A STRING UNDER TENSION WANTS TO STAY IN A STRAIGHT LINE) Does anyone cut a groove into the saddles on these things? I only need to do it on the high E, but if I do, then the string is going to over the saddle, then make a fairly sharp angle to go into the hole that goes through the neck. I feel I may be breaking strings a lot because of that. I looked at a few other guitars online, and it seems most have the high E string right at the edge of the fretboard. UGGH!!! Is it OK to cut that liitle grrove for the high E, or not? Please help. Thanks for any and all info. It is greatly appreciated.
    I wouldn't notch the saddle. Something else is wrong. The high E should be about an eighth of an inch from the edge of the neck all the way up to the last fret. If it's not either the nut is made or positioned wrong, the neck is not straight on the guitar or the bridge has the wrong string spread. Also the bevel on the edge of the frets may be wrong. It's hard to say exactly without seeing the instrument.

    If you are near Vernon, NJ stop in and I'll be glad to take a look at it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fret Shop View Post
    I wouldn't notch the saddle. Something else is wrong. The high E should be about an eighth of an inch from the edge of the neck all the way up to the last fret. If it's not either the nut is made or positioned wrong, the neck is not straight on the guitar or the bridge has the wrong string spread. Also the bevel on the edge of the frets may be wrong. It's hard to say exactly without seeing the instrument.

    If you are near Vernon, NJ stop in and I'll be glad to take a look at it for you.

    Ia ppreciate that, and I think its a little of all of the above. The frets are beveled at such an angle, that it goes into the neck of the guitar to deep. I have another styrat here, and the frets are cut closer to a 90 degree angle. Then I am pretty sure the nut is not cut properly, because after I shifted the neck as much as I could by loosening the bolts and putting tension on the neck in the dirction i wanted while re-tightening the bolts, the string is better on the higher frets, but now around the 5th to 7th frets, the string is right on the edge of the fret bevel. I am sure not everyone would notice this, but its bugging the $hit out of me, because I get ratlle on that high E, and I am still pulling the fret off the neck at times. The guitar has to go back. Sucks because it sounds killer, and I LOVE the looks of it. They have another one, but I am seeing the same thing on the picture of it, and the same thing on one at garys guitars. Not good.
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    Re: HELP! New 56 Fender CS problem

    Hey Tag,

    I don't think Jim is that far from you and might be well worth the 20 min drive before you dump the guitar if you dig it.

    Jim does excellent work. He has worked on all my custom shop and boutique guitars for the past 10 years.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tag View Post
    Ia ppreciate that, and I think its a little of all of the above. The frets are beveled at such an angle, that it goes into the neck of the guitar to deep. I have another styrat here, and the frets are cut closer to a 90 degree angle. Then I am pretty sure the nut is not cut properly, because after I shifted the neck as much as I could by loosening the bolts and putting tension on the neck in the dirction i wanted while re-tightening the bolts, the string is better on the higher frets, but now around the 5th to 7th frets, the string is right on the edge of the fret bevel. I am sure not everyone would notice this, but its bugging the $hit out of me, because I get ratlle on that high E, and I am still pulling the fret off the neck at times. The guitar has to go back. Sucks because it sounds killer, and I LOVE the looks of it. They have another one, but I am seeing the same thing on the picture of it, and the same thing on one at garys guitars. Not good.
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    Re: HELP! New 56 Fender CS problem

    I had a Fender custom shop 56 relic in 2000,... Same thing with the high E string,.. Cool guitar but that was a pita.
    Also had the same issue with a EJ strat years later. You would think Fender would not have this happening to these
    top of the line guitars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budlite View Post
    I had a Fender custom shop 56 relic in 2000,... Same thing with the high E string,.. Cool guitar but that was a pita.
    Also had the same issue with a EJ strat years later. You would think Fender would not have this happening to these
    top of the line guitars.

    I returned it. The neck was not aligned right, and the neck was a smaller 57, on the web site, mistakingly labeled as a 56. I need a chunky neck, and this one has it. A 2014 54 CS heavy relic strat at 6.49 LBs. KILLER GUITAR. I HAD to have the pink color. Always wanted one.

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    Re: HELP! New 56 Fender CS problem

    Tag,...!!!! What have you done??? It's PINK

    The kids are going to,....urgh,..forget it,...I need to go to the beverage center
    for some beer,...yes Budlight,....

    At least it's not a pink LP or 335,....

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    Re: HELP! New 56 Fender CS problem

    I always liked the Daphane blue and surf green strat but always ended up buying white or sunburst.
    I think my 56 CS had a non reversed middle pup as it was like that in 1956. Is yours the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budlite View Post
    Tag,...!!!! What have you done??? It's PINK

    The kids are going to,....urgh,..forget it,...I need to go to the beverage center
    for some beer,...yes Budlight,....

    At least it's not a pink LP or 335,....

    Ha! Not sure why, as I dont like other pink guitars, but a pink Strat always did it for me. Daphne, sonic blue, and surf green I also REALLY dig. Burned out on Mary K blond, but that was my favorite for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by Budlite View Post
    I always liked the Daphane blue and surf green strat but always ended up buying white or sunburst.
    I think my 56 CS had a non reversed middle pup as it was like that in 1956. Is yours the same?

    Yea. This is a 54, and the same. Again, I may switch out to fat 50s with the reversed middle, but not sure yet. These are excellent pups as well. A little clearer than the fat 50s, but a little thinner as well. thats the way it goes with pups. Cant have the best of both.
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