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    Finally converted to Pro Tools from my Roland recorders .Does it sound any better?

    This is really a first try, as I have no idea what i am doing yet. The reverb patch was really tough to figure out, but i think I finally got it. Forget the guitar tone and reverb, but does it sound better than most of my other clips quality wise? I hope I did not waste $$$$, as this is going to take time to figure out how to use things. I thought Rolands instructions were bad, how about pro tools NO instructions!!! WTF is up with that??? Any way, here is my first try. Again, forget the playing and guitar tones, just the quality of the sound on the clip. THANKS!!!

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    Re: Finally converted to Pro Tools from my Roland recorders .Does it sound any better?

    Sounds good to me. You can take a class on ProTools at some GuitarCenters and other places. I've heard they are very helpful.

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    Re: Finally converted to Pro Tools from my Roland recorders .Does it sound any better?

    TAG,

    I think it sounds great from the playing. I think you may be overloading your mic pre at some places (or your mic itself is too close to your speaker) but for a first try sounds great!

    I owned a co-company that I sold to a large publisher about 10 years ago. We were really successful and Sweetwater, GC, Barnes and Noble, etc... sold those products (and still do from the new publisher). I have been a development partner with Digidesign/Avid for a long time as well.

    If you need any books, instructional CD-ROMs or have any questions feel free to ask and if I can help you I will.

    Any DAW has a steep learning curve but what I really suggest to people is that you learn to do a few basic things:

    1- Record an audio track
    2- Play back an audio track
    3- Record a MIDI track
    4- Playback a MIDI track
    5- Add effects via an aux send
    6- Bounce down a song

    If you can learn to do those things then you can just learn the other little things you need to know as you go. I do know ProTools ships with some great plugs and VIs and is a really great piece of software.
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    Re: Finally converted to Pro Tools from my Roland recorders .Does it sound any better?

    Sounds less compress than your other clips

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    Re: Finally converted to Pro Tools from my Roland recorders .Does it sound any better?

    Great advice!

    Quote Originally Posted by amp360 View Post
    TAG,

    I think it sounds great from the playing. I think you may be overloading your mic pre at some places (or your mic itself is too close to your speaker) but for a first try sounds great!

    I owned a co-company that I sold to a large publisher about 10 years ago. We were really successful and Sweetwater, GC, Barnes and Noble, etc... sold those products (and still do from the new publisher). I have been a development partner with Digidesign/Avid for a long time as well.

    If you need any books, instructional CD-ROMs or have any questions feel free to ask and if I can help you I will.

    Any DAW has a steep learning curve but what I really suggest to people is that you learn to do a few basic things:

    1- Record an audio track
    2- Play back an audio track
    3- Record a MIDI track
    4- Playback a MIDI track
    5- Add effects via an aux send
    6- Bounce down a song

    If you can learn to do those things then you can just learn the other little things you need to know as you go. I do know ProTools ships with some great plugs and VIs and is a really great piece of software.
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    Re: Finally converted to Pro Tools from my Roland recorders .Does it sound any better?

    Quote Originally Posted by amp360 View Post
    TAG,

    I think it sounds great from the playing. I think you may be overloading your mic pre at some places (or your mic itself is too close to your speaker) but for a first try sounds great!

    I owned a co-company that I sold to a large publisher about 10 years ago. We were really successful and Sweetwater, GC, Barnes and Noble, etc... sold those products (and still do from the new publisher). I have been a development partner with Digidesign/Avid for a long time as well.

    If you need any books, instructional CD-ROMs or have any questions feel free to ask and if I can help you I will.

    Any DAW has a steep learning curve but what I really suggest to people is that you learn to do a few basic things:

    1- Record an audio track
    2- Play back an audio track
    3- Record a MIDI track
    4- Playback a MIDI track
    5- Add effects via an aux send
    6- Bounce down a song

    If you can learn to do those things then you can just learn the other little things you need to know as you go. I do know ProTools ships with some great plugs and VIs and is a really great piece of software.

    Not sure how I missed this! Thanks a LOT, and I am going to be taking you up on it I am sure. I hired a guy come over yesterday night and run through all the basics with me. I tried to write down as much as possible, but WOW there is a lot going on! I hate the fact you have to switch between edit and mix windows all the time. In any case, I posted this in the amps section, but he was able to do one quick mix before i ran out of time, and his results speak for themselves. Still a bit of clipping due to my begging for as hot a sound as possible, but now i can hear why thats not the way to go with digital recordings. Still, the results are far clearer, and the amp sounds the closest of anything I have ever put up before. I am using the Avid interface, so its part of your design. VERY GOOD!!! Here is his mix. https://soundcloud.com/tag-1/new-pt-183-strat
    VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD!!

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    Re: Finally converted to Pro Tools from my Roland recorders .Does it sound any better?

    The thing with any of the DAWs (and they're all pretty much the same to use - it comes down to features/workflow) is that you have to think of them as being a mixer and a tape machine when you start. Don't worry about all the crazy stuff it can do, just worry about getting a good signal to disk.

    One thing you should do is download the free Bomb Factory plugs. They still sound pretty good and in their day were quite expensive. Once Digidesign bought out Erik (who was the Ed Roman of the plugin world) they were an add on and now are free. The pack has an 1176 (which you'll use a lot for guitar) as well as the LA2A and LA3A. You'll also get some meters which are really important in the digital world.

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    One thing I always look for is older professional gear to use for my front end. Some stuff is very expensive because people are onto it but there are some cool things out there:

    1- The JBL 7510B - this is a conference room mixer but it has Universal Audio (Urei) preamps (usually 12-24 depending on what you find) and each channel has a direct out. These are $200 - $400 used and blow away anything in the under $1000 type preamps from China.

    2- Any of the old 1950s tube reel to reel or mixers machines by Ampex, Altec, etc.... I just bought a pair of Ampex tape recorders and disconnected the reels. They sound very nice on acoustic guitar and vocals.

    There are tons of things like this.

    Once you get comfortable doing the basics in ProTools just learn new things as you need to. The most important thing is once you figure out how to do something write it down in a notebook for reference.

    Here is something quick to get you started:

    1- Open blank session
    2- Go To Project/Add Track
    3- Select Mono Audio Track
    4- For INPUT select the channel on your interface where your mic/guitar/etc... is plugged in
    5- For OUTPUT select your interface's main outs (where your speakers are)
    6- Arm the track (that is the red button next to solo and mute)
    7- Hit record
    8- Play something

    That is how you record to a track and hear it back in ProTools.

    To record something from a VI simply connect a MIDI controller and place the VI on an insert. Set the INPUT to OMNI (OMNI transmits on all MIDI channels and in most cases is the best way to do things in DAWs these days) and the output to the VI (which should be automatic). The audio out should remain your main outs - and this should default.

    Arm the track and record and playback some things.

    To insert an effect like a Compressor, channel strip, Guitar Rig, etc... place them in the insert (these don't get recorded to your signal so you can change them later) and follow the regular recording procedures.

    Sends are a little tricky to setup. You will use these for reverb, delay, etc.... What you want to do is go to project/add track/aux. Then in the sends section of your track (Mixer view - you can toggle between mixer and edit with Apple Key and = on MAC and Control = on PC) and select a buss (ex 1-2). Then on your newly created send select the INPUT as buss 1-2 and the OUT as your main default out. It's a little confusing to some because Aux 1 wouldn't be an option in the channel - but buss 1-2 would feed Aux 1 the way I have explained to set it up.

    One thing you should always do in your session is make a new master fader (project/add track/master fader). You can put a compressor here, add EQ, etc....

    To export a file from ProTools go to BOUNCE TO DISC and you can make an MP3, WAV, MOV, etc.....

    Another thing you should do after you get used to things is setup a template. You chose blank session add your tracks and sends ins, outs, effects, etc... as you like to work then choose SAVE AS TEMPLATE and then you name it. That way when you start PT you can choose to have everything setup to your liking and start recording instead of poking around making channels, etc...

    Hopefully this gives you some info to get started. If there is any specific thing you need to know let me know and I'll do my best to answer it for you. I think of the Mixer view as a console and the EDIT view as a tape recorder. This makes it a little easier to visualize. Think of your Inserts as stomp boxes (signal passes through) and sends as your effects loop.
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