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    Re: Gary Johnson Of Glaswerks Amps Is A Genius!

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    many of the clones easily hang with or surpass the best Dumbles. I would have to lie to myself to say otherwise.



    This is truly insanity. This guy has never played a single Dumble. I have read a lot of crazy things on the internet, and this is right up there with any of them. I have played many, many Dumbles, and the ONLY clone that I have heard that can hang with a Dumble on equal terms is the Quinn. Some are close, no other the equal. Lets hear some of these other clones A/Bd with the Dumble they were supossedy cloned from! Lets see a video to prove it! Many of these things were done off word of mouth off the net!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tag

    When someone who has never played a single Dumble rambles on about ANY amp giving the BEST Dumble tones, that is EXACTLY what is happening.
    183 is one of the best Dumbles, by most accounts, and Scott was able to dial in his Bludo and GW to sound like they could be two other Dumbles themselves, tweaked for other clients to emphasize other attributes, where some players would prefer 183 and some would prefer the GW or Bludo, based on taste. You keep wanting to ignore that and say clips don't matter...until you need clips to prove a point.

    I hear absolutely nothing in the 183 clips that make it untouchable in an absolute sense. In fact, Scott's Bludo and GW clips presented above sound better to me. They just have a lot more going on...just more interesting to me. But, that's all subjective.

    Once again, you also ramble endlessly about how every amp you have owned nails RF MM but YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED RF's MM AMP! So, without realizing it, you too have used clips comparisons to establish your position. No different than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tag



    This is truly insanity. This guy has never played a single Dumble. I have read a lot of crazy things on the internet, and this is right up there with any of them. I have played many, many Dumbles, and the ONLY clone that I have heard that can hang with a Dumble on equal terms is the Quinn. Some are close, no other the equal. Lets hear some of these other clones A/Bd with the Dumble they were supossedy cloned from! Lets see a video to prove it! Many of these things were done off word of mouth off the net!!!!!
    You have NOT played Robben Ford's MM Dumble either, yet you claim that at least 3-4 of them over the years have nailed that tone based on clips! By the same token, I can easily hear how many of the clones easily hang with the best Dumbles and MANY folks who've owned BOTH have expressed the exact same opinion. It's not crazy at all, but pretty common knowledge, except in your world, Tag.

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    I am sure there are guys who like TwoRocks, Marshalls, Bludos, Fenders, Trainwrecks, GWs and every other amp on the face of the earth more than Dumbles. So what??
    My thoughts exactly...
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    183 is one of the best Dumbles, by most accounts, and Scott was able to dial in his Bludo and GW to sound like they could be two other Dumbles themselves
    Dave,
    Once AGAIN.
    Scott had his GW 183 clone here, at my house. I OWNED the GW OD 1 and 2, I have played Scotts, and many, many otherGWs. They are not CLOSE. Yes, clips are great when you CANT PLAY THEM yourself. You, and I and Scott and everyone has been fooled over and over by clips. I have never stated I could not be fooled. In Person, you can not be fooled.


    where some players would prefer 183 and some would prefer the GW or Bludo, based on taste.
    And some would prefer Marshalls, and Fenders, and Brunos, and Vox's and on and on. Do not put words in my mouth. I have NEVER said everyone would prefer ANY Dumble over any other amp. What I have said is they sound DIFFERENT than actual Dumbles, and yes, I think Dumbles sound better. Until the Quinn, I had never heard an amp sound as good as 183. And yes, i even like it more than Fords amp from what I can tell. ESPECIALLY if the Ford clones sound like Fords actual amp, which from what i hear, they do not. 183 sounds dead on to me. No, I have never played Fords actual amp, but I have played more Dumbles than most people walking the earth (by sheer luck), and I know what they sound like. I have seen him and Carlton many, many times, and from playing many Dumbles, actually owning one, and playing and owning clone after clone, I can say that I have a pretty good idea of what they can and can not do. NONE of this is based on clips either.


    You keep wanting to ignore that and say clips don't matter...until you need clips to prove a point.

    If you cant play something, clips are the next best thing, but there are HUGE variables in that as well.
    I hear absolutely nothing in the 183 clips that make it untouchable in an absolute sense.

    Where have I ever said that? As a matter of fact, I have said my TwoRock artist was pretty darn close, and Shad nailed it to the wall. My E.Pro could also get in the ballpark, as could a K&M custom. There ARE differences however, and the Dumble sounds better in every respect. The E.Pro was smoother however, and remains the smoothest amp I have ever heard.


    In fact, Scott's Bludo and GW clips presented above sound better to me. They just have a lot more going on...just more interesting to me. But, that's all subjective.
    Great! But you have not heard them in person, and you are agreeing with my that they sound different, even in clips!! In person, they are VERY different, and to me, the Dumble sounds FAR better.

    Once again, you also ramble endlessly about how every amp you have owned nails RF
    As have you and Scott about everything Scott has owned, including the dreaded Bluesmasters, that sound about as far from Ford as you can get. Raspy, putrid overdrive. Scott knows what he is doing in a recording studio, and got his Fuchs with a pedal to sound just like his other clips, or better.




    YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED RF's MM AMP! So, without realizing it, you too have used clips comparisons to establish your position.

    See above. I have played enough Dumbles, and sat in front of Ford and Carlton enough over the years enough to know what those amps do in person, and what you are hearing in clips. You act as though each Dumble is a totally different sounding amp. That is simply not the case. From what I was told, the original owner of 183 simply ordered an ODS. He got a call years later saying it was done. No special tuning or tweaks. A stock ODS. And thats what it sounds like.

    Once again. You have NEVER PLAYED a single Dumble. Your claims are insanity. Dont you think you should play at least a few before making ANY claims about what actually sounds like one? Or say that your GWs is your favorite Dumble STYLE amp that you have played?
    VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD!!

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    I think I would like a Santa Cruz someday, I believe J.T. had one for a while.
    I've heard good things about that circuit.
    Gary's amps are genius and he's a hell of a nice guy!
    Can't wait for my Bluesmaster voiced SODII!!!!!!!

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    God how I love Dumble and dumble clone threads


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    Re: Gary Johnson Of Glaswerks Amps Is A Genius!

    I've got a Santa Cruz circuit and LOVE IT. Great D style tones but with more of a rock edge to it. Fun amp to play!
    My last gig I paired it with the Van Weelden and only ran the clean channel of both amps in stereo with a Fulltone TTE. For OD I stepped on a Klon Clone. It was an experiment that left a smile on my face!

    Quote Originally Posted by gtrs View Post
    I think I would like a Santa Cruz someday, I believe J.T. had one for a while.
    I've heard good things about that circuit.
    Gary's amps are genius and he's a hell of a nice guy!
    Can't wait for my Bluesmaster voiced SODII!!!!!!!

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    Tag, I just did a whole bunch of mic'ing experiments with my Germino and was amazed at how, with high quality mics and a simple Zoom R16, I could easily capture exactly what the amp sounded like in the room. And, it almost didn't matter where I stuck either of the Sennheiser mics I was using. I was really shocked because in past experiments with other mics and recorders, it never sounded like what I heard in the room.

    I don't know why. I suspect the same is true though with video recorders and the other marginal tools we use for making clips. So, I can see how certain clips may not accurately capture what's happening in the room.

    But, guys like Scott and Woody are fanatics with this stuff and use high quality recording gear. So, it's difficult to believe Scott's recordings somehow magically and falsely improved upon the actual sound of the GW and Bludo while also falsely degrading the sound of the 183...unless what you're trying to tell me is that the 183 just doesn't record well, no matter the outboard gear...but then that betrays the simple mic'ing tests I've recently done. It also doesn't bode well for someone who doesn't play out and can only share his music via clips which never sound as good as the amp in the room. Wouldn't you want an amp that records well for what you do?

    And, you're also trying to tell me that all ODSs sound great and the same, but that RF's somehow doesn't anymore. That also flies in the face of what so many others have shared regarding their personal experience with Dumbles and what I've heard via clips, both of which agree - some sound amazing and others not so much.

    So, there's just a whole bunch of inconsistencies in what you're saying here. So...what did Scott say after your live comparison of the GW183 and the real 183?

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    Re: Gary Johnson Of Glaswerks Amps Is A Genius!

    I've heard bad dumble clips and bad clone clips... Gary's amps go down very well on recordings.

    Weird thing is I've never heard a bad Germino clip.

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