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    So My Map Lost All the High End...

    I have been kind of bummed out in that my highs are all gone. At first, I thought maybe my new git-fiddle wasn't sounding too good so I tried another one and had the same deal.

    Figured I would need new tubes but then decided to change the cable - now everything sounds great.

    I got a Monster power strip thing in the mail and it came with a free cable. Very nice quality - thick cable, gold ends, etc... sadly it took all the highs out of my signal.

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    Re: So My Map Lost All the High End...

    amazing what a difference a cable makes

    If you want to maintain you highs -- you need low capacitance cables.

    Most box store cables are in the 65 to 70 plus pf (if you have a cheap guitar and a cheap amp and playing with heavy distortion -- it does not matter )

    If you want clarity and retain your highs -- you want low cap cables

    Lava and george Ls. Both are in the low 20's pf
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    Re: So My Map Lost All the High End...

    Simple Physics

    More capacitance between your guitar and the amp equals less highs.

    More capacitance between your outboard effects and the amp loop equals less highs.

    The way you get around this is by using buffers (I personally don't want or like to use them).

    I want the lowest amount of capacitance between my fiddle and the amp (that includes the cables used on my board).

    As an example a typical board with 10 pedals can add 10 feet of cable -- if you use cheap high cap patch cables -- it could be the equivalent of adding another 20 feet of cables to your 10-12 feet of guitar cables.

    Basic physics my boy.

    If you have a bright amp and want to tame the highs -- use low cap cables.

    If you have a glorious sounding amp -- lower cap cables will allow more of the true amp (and guitar ) tone through.

    again -- this is not voodoo or fairy dust BS -- but simple grade school math.




    Quote Originally Posted by locomotivebreath View Post
    Funny you bring this up.
    I can recall a round table discussion back in the day with Jimi, Jeff, Jimmy, Eric ect... about the affect of power and speaker cords on their tone.
    They were more concerned about their power chords...
    ha!

    There are so MANY variables in a given signal chain that render blanket statements on this topic moot Wake up! Have some coffee along with a common sense doughnut...
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    Re: So My Map Lost All the High End...

    The Monster Company are masters of marketing, but their products are sh...aving cream. YMMV, but I will go out of my way to not buy a Monster product.
    At first, they'll only dislike what you say, but the more correct you start sounding the more they'll dislike you. Criss Jami

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    Besides math, reading is another basic skill I picked up in grade school.

    I like to read the ingredients label before I buy a new product




    Quote Originally Posted by locomotivebreath View Post
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    If you sit around measuring the capacitance and length of your tools well... have at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by locomotivebreath View Post
    Funny you bring this up.
    I can recall a round table discussion back in the day with Jimi, Jeff, Jimmy, Eric ect... about the affect of power and speaker cords on their tone.
    They were more concerned about their power chords...
    ha!

    There are so MANY variables in a given signal chain that render blanket statements on this topic moot Wake up! Have some coffee along with a common sense doughnut...
    Not sure who the folks you're talking about are. I'm assuming that Hendrix, Beck, Page and Stone got together? If there is an article on this or something post a link it sounds like a good read.

    Just reporting on what happened when I used/changed a cable and the effect and results. At home I have four Furman power supplies. A P-3600 for my console and outboard and P-2400 out where I keep my stuff in the room so the power is pretty clean - plus I have a dedicated line coming into the house for just my stuff. I have heard of the power cord debates but honestly I'm not really that much of a tone chaser - plus a lot of my stuff is old so the cord may be 3 prong but it's not the removable type.

    I have used GeorgeL Cable (my whole rack is wired with it). Most of the time I make my own to get custom lengths using Mogami, never used Lava.

    The math thing makes sense but what I learned is steer clear of the Monster. Oddly enough, Mogami is also expensive @ GC but I buy it by the foot for pennies.
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    I exchanged my George L's for Lava ELCs and haven't looked back. They sound more even frequency wise to me. Again... YMMV.
    At first, they'll only dislike what you say, but the more correct you start sounding the more they'll dislike you. Criss Jami

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    Re: So My Map Lost All the High End...

    What model# Lava cable are you using? I just looked at their site and it's about $2.00 a foot. For that price I will give it a try.

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    I personally don't hear much of a difference between Lava and George cables. I have everything wired with George and have been very happy. I briefly flirted with Lava because it was being hyped pretty hard at the other place a few years back. Nice stuff but not worth the time and expense of a complete rewire IMO. I also have a dedicated 18 volt buffer mounted under my board that helps if I need to run long cables or outside on bigger stages. So in other words I rarely need the buffer!

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    Re: So My Map Lost All the High End...

    the difference should be minimal since both are low cap cables (key).

    I am more than fine with both -- and used George L's since they became available.

    What I like about Lava is the smaller footprint on the RA plugs.

    Other than that, my "Boy" George, has my vote!







    Quote Originally Posted by Baxen View Post
    I personally don't hear much of a difference between Lava and George cables. I have everything wired with George and have been very happy. I briefly flirted with Lava because it was being hyped pretty hard at the other place a few years back. Nice stuff but not worth the time and expense of a complete rewire IMO. I also have a dedicated 18 volt buffer mounted under my board that helps if I need to run long cables or outside on bigger stages. So in other words I rarely need the buffer!
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